The United States

[etherea]

Baltimore Bridge has collapsed, folding like a napkin into the water after a collision with a container ship - anybody have the correct timing of this? I note that yesterday's eclipse has fallen square to natal Jupiter in both Sibley and Liberty charts, and in the latter case, also a tight hit relating to MC/IC.

 

[silviam]

According to Reuters, the collision took place at 1.28am (see https://www.reuters.com/world/us/16...p-collision-fox-baltimore-reports-2024-03-26/)
Here is the chart - note the exact aspect of Moon/Nodes

 

[etherea]

According to Reuters, the collision took place at 1.28am (see https://www.reuters.com/world/us/16...p-collision-fox-baltimore-reports-2024-03-26/)
Here is the chart - note the exact aspect of Moon/Nodes
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Thank you.

I associate Pluto with that kind of implosion and unless you count a weak sextile with Sun and a semi-sextile with Mars, and an even weaker trine to Uranus, then Pluto in this chart is largely un-aspected. There are quite a few 'near-misses' in terms of aspects, e.g. a quintile between Pluto and NN, etc.

If you do use very wide orbs and therefore count the above, then certainly the Uranus contact would describe this event, the more so with Jupiter (chart ruler) close by.

Some are saying it was a deliberate act, as the ship concerned appeared to have sufficient space to pass, but went straight into the bridge. Let's see how the story plays out as more info comes to light.

Chiron in 4h conjunct NN not to be forgotten.....

 

[wanda]

Ketu/Moon in 10th (in the Public eye) and Ruler of them the Venus in house 3 (transportation systems) says it well.

 

[silviam]

The bridge was inaugurated on 23 March 1977 - here's the chart set for midday, note transit Mars exactly conjunct natal Mars! Also, lots of activity in Aries at the moment, triggering the natal Aries stellium

 

[etherea]

Well spotted about Mars in that chart and the chart itself is a good find.

Understood about the Noon chart being applied but also noting that having your MC on Scheat at anaretic Pisces isn't the best placement for a bridge spanning water.

Having transiting Neptune close by that MC probably accounts for the many differing views about how it happened, too. Some people are very suspicious about the lights going off and are saying it was a cyber-attack, whilst officialdom apparently worked out (in 2 hours.......) that it was not, etc.

Sticking with my Pluto theme about this collapse, note that transiting Pluto currently squares the bridge chart Chiron, at anaretic Aries and again, transiting SN nears that chart's natal Pluto in Libra (in orb).

I have just read that Baltimore is the key port for US car shipments, so it does represent a hefty hit.

 

[Phoebe]

As if relations weren't already strained enough by the relentless masses of illegal aliens breaching our southern border, along with the drug and human trafficking cartels that continue infesting the U.S., both the U.S./Mexico composite and Davison charts are looking rather ominous, like veritable powder kegs waiting to be set off by the paired Aries-Libra eclipse events just getting underway, and fully visible to both nations.

A foreshadowing came during a 60 Minutes interview last Sunday, just a day before the March 25th penumbral lunar eclipse at 5Lib13 when Mexico's President Obrador publicly stated his extortive demands... "U.S. to send $20 billion a year to Latin America countries, lift sanctions on Venezuela, end the Cuban embargo and legalize millions of Mexicans that are living in the U.S." or else "the flow of migrants will continue."

Not to be outdone, the April 8th total solar eclipse at 19Ari24 conjunct Chiron, natally and transit-wise, waits in the wings!

 

[Oliver]

I think the US sanctions issue is going to be dealt with in a far simpler, more effective (and permanent) way - SWIFT will be deprecated by the BRICS, and they will switch all accounts over to a new system. USD will not be accepted for payments. It’s blood money at this point, anyway.

Then the US can sanction whoever the hell they please, but it won’t affect anyone else.

 

[Phoebe]

And here I thought this was an astrology forum!

 

[Oliver]

And here I thought this was an astrology forum!

It is. Changes with SWIFT are something you’d expect to see coming from Pluto (money), Uranus (electronics) and Mercury (communications), for example. I don’t see anything that’s obvious in this regard, * but I’ll talk about the consequences of actions anyway, because it’s relevant background information to what’s currently happening.

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* Maybe we’ll see it as part of the suck it up, buttercup consequences of Pluto in Aquarius. Like the ongoing UK income tax boycott, for example. Who knows?

 

[etherea]

Wow, @Phoebe, transiting Pluto square nodal axes - and Sun - in both charts you posted are a torrid-looking underpinning to what very much looks like a protection racket gambit.

Pluto is prominent in both radix charts, also - the imbalance of power sets up a pendulum swing that looks as though it will never settle.

I have been thinking of late about the Venn Diagram possibilities between the Mafia-like outfits and many politicians, e.g. how much crossover...?

Have you looked at progressions, e.g. for the Davison, to see what might be kicking things off?

 

[etherea]

One other very notable development in the US is that several states are warning people to "be prepared" and to stock up on food, water and fuel, for the 8th April eclipse. I am unsure if any of these warnings have had elaboration as to why, and what is foreseen, other than vague ideas about excess traffic, etc., but then many excess traffic incidents occur all over the place without consequences that would have (with hindsight) necessitated such warnings.

Texas and Oklahoma are reportedly putting the National Guard in the picture (there may be others......?).

Again, the Liberty chart: this eclipse occurs with a conjunction to not only transiting Chiron at 19Aries22 but natal Chiron also at 20Aries06, so very tight and a double Chiron mix.

The Mars/Saturn conjunction in Pisces occurs in square to natal mutable Asc/Desc, from 3h, with Saturn ruling natal 2h and Mars ruling natal 4h. Also, this conjunction creates a tight quincunx to natal Saturn in 10h.

Mercury Rx squares natal 8h Mercury and natal 2h Moon/Pluto, creating a Cardinal t-square, so for sure, there is potential for mess-ups with quite intense overtones but again, I have little doubt that Mercury has occupied this space many times previously in Rx, without dire warnings.

Can anybody provide further detail as to why these warnings were issued?

 

[Diem11]

One other very notable development in the US is that several states are warning people to "be prepared" and to stock up on food, water and fuel, for the 8th April eclipse. I am unsure if any of these warnings have had elaboration as to why, and what is foreseen, other than vague ideas about excess traffic, etc., but then many excess traffic incidents occur all over the place without consequences that would have (with hindsight) necessitated such warnings.

Texas and Oklahoma are reportedly putting the National Guard in the picture (there may be others......?).

Again, the Liberty chart: this eclipse occurs with a conjunction to not only transiting Chiron at 19Aries22 but natal Chiron also at 20Aries06, so very tight and a double Chiron mix.

The Mars/Saturn conjunction in Pisces occurs in square to natal mutable Asc/Desc, from 3h, with Saturn ruling natal 2h and Mars ruling natal 4h. Also, this conjunction creates a tight quincunx to natal Saturn in 10h.

Mercury Rx squares natal 8h Mercury and natal 2h Moon/Pluto, creating a Cardinal t-square, so for sure, there is potential for mess-ups with quite intense overtones but again, I have little doubt that Mercury has occupied this space many times previously in Rx, without dire warnings.

Can anybody provide further detail as to why these warnings were issued?

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I haven't heard any of this. Strange how different the news is in different countries.

I'll be paying less attention to the eclipse itself and more to ensuing month when the inner planets hit the eclipse point and the nodes and activate it in whatever way they will.

I think people are indeed underestimating the significance of this Eclipse/Chiron conjunction going over the US's Chiron.

 

[etherea]

As Pluto transits the CCP Ascendant/Moon natal signature, I thought it worth discussing their synastry with the US (Liberty) chart, and there are some interesting contacts, namely, the US Saturn to CCP Neptune/Mercury, and the US Uranus to CCP Jupiter, not to mention the US Moon/Pluto conjunction at midpoint between CCP Jupiter/Moon/Asc.