The United States

[etherea]

Baltimore Bridge has collapsed, folding like a napkin into the water after a collision with a container ship - anybody have the correct timing of this? I note that yesterday's eclipse has fallen square to natal Jupiter in both Sibley and Liberty charts, and in the latter case, also a tight hit relating to MC/IC.

 

[silviam]

According to Reuters, the collision took place at 1.28am (see https://www.reuters.com/world/us/16...p-collision-fox-baltimore-reports-2024-03-26/)
Here is the chart - note the exact aspect of Moon/Nodes

 

[etherea]

According to Reuters, the collision took place at 1.28am (see https://www.reuters.com/world/us/16...p-collision-fox-baltimore-reports-2024-03-26/)
Here is the chart - note the exact aspect of Moon/Nodes
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Thank you.

I associate Pluto with that kind of implosion and unless you count a weak sextile with Sun and a semi-sextile with Mars, and an even weaker trine to Uranus, then Pluto in this chart is largely un-aspected. There are quite a few 'near-misses' in terms of aspects, e.g. a quintile between Pluto and NN, etc.

If you do use very wide orbs and therefore count the above, then certainly the Uranus contact would describe this event, the more so with Jupiter (chart ruler) close by.

Some are saying it was a deliberate act, as the ship concerned appeared to have sufficient space to pass, but went straight into the bridge. Let's see how the story plays out as more info comes to light.

Chiron in 4h conjunct NN not to be forgotten.....

 

[wanda]

Ketu/Moon in 10th (in the Public eye) and Ruler of them the Venus in house 3 (transportation systems) says it well.

 

[silviam]

The bridge was inaugurated on 23 March 1977 - here's the chart set for midday, note transit Mars exactly conjunct natal Mars! Also, lots of activity in Aries at the moment, triggering the natal Aries stellium

 

[etherea]

Well spotted about Mars in that chart and the chart itself is a good find.

Understood about the Noon chart being applied but also noting that having your MC on Scheat at anaretic Pisces isn't the best placement for a bridge spanning water.

Having transiting Neptune close by that MC probably accounts for the many differing views about how it happened, too. Some people are very suspicious about the lights going off and are saying it was a cyber-attack, whilst officialdom apparently worked out (in 2 hours.......) that it was not, etc.

Sticking with my Pluto theme about this collapse, note that transiting Pluto currently squares the bridge chart Chiron, at anaretic Aries and again, transiting SN nears that chart's natal Pluto in Libra (in orb).

I have just read that Baltimore is the key port for US car shipments, so it does represent a hefty hit.

 

[Phoebe]

As if relations weren't already strained enough by the relentless masses of illegal aliens breaching our southern border, along with the drug and human trafficking cartels that continue infesting the U.S., both the U.S./Mexico composite and Davison charts are looking rather ominous, like veritable powder kegs waiting to be set off by the paired Aries-Libra eclipse events just getting underway, and fully visible to both nations.

A foreshadowing came during a 60 Minutes interview last Sunday, just a day before the March 25th penumbral lunar eclipse at 5Lib13 when Mexico's President Obrador publicly stated his extortive demands... "U.S. to send $20 billion a year to Latin America countries, lift sanctions on Venezuela, end the Cuban embargo and legalize millions of Mexicans that are living in the U.S." or else "the flow of migrants will continue."

Not to be outdone, the April 8th total solar eclipse at 19Ari24 conjunct Chiron, natally and transit-wise, waits in the wings!

 

[Oliver]

I think the US sanctions issue is going to be dealt with in a far simpler, more effective (and permanent) way - SWIFT will be deprecated by the BRICS, and they will switch all accounts over to a new system. USD will not be accepted for payments. It’s blood money at this point, anyway.

Then the US can sanction whoever the hell they please, but it won’t affect anyone else.

 

[Phoebe]

And here I thought this was an astrology forum!

 

[Oliver]

And here I thought this was an astrology forum!

It is. Changes with SWIFT are something you’d expect to see coming from Pluto (money), Uranus (electronics) and Mercury (communications), for example. I don’t see anything that’s obvious in this regard, * but I’ll talk about the consequences of actions anyway, because it’s relevant background information to what’s currently happening.

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* Maybe we’ll see it as part of the suck it up, buttercup consequences of Pluto in Aquarius. Like the ongoing UK income tax boycott, for example. Who knows?

 

[etherea]

Wow, @Phoebe, transiting Pluto square nodal axes - and Sun - in both charts you posted are a torrid-looking underpinning to what very much looks like a protection racket gambit.

Pluto is prominent in both radix charts, also - the imbalance of power sets up a pendulum swing that looks as though it will never settle.

I have been thinking of late about the Venn Diagram possibilities between the Mafia-like outfits and many politicians, e.g. how much crossover...?

Have you looked at progressions, e.g. for the Davison, to see what might be kicking things off?

 

[etherea]

One other very notable development in the US is that several states are warning people to "be prepared" and to stock up on food, water and fuel, for the 8th April eclipse. I am unsure if any of these warnings have had elaboration as to why, and what is foreseen, other than vague ideas about excess traffic, etc., but then many excess traffic incidents occur all over the place without consequences that would have (with hindsight) necessitated such warnings.

Texas and Oklahoma are reportedly putting the National Guard in the picture (there may be others......?).

Again, the Liberty chart: this eclipse occurs with a conjunction to not only transiting Chiron at 19Aries22 but natal Chiron also at 20Aries06, so very tight and a double Chiron mix.

The Mars/Saturn conjunction in Pisces occurs in square to natal mutable Asc/Desc, from 3h, with Saturn ruling natal 2h and Mars ruling natal 4h. Also, this conjunction creates a tight quincunx to natal Saturn in 10h.

Mercury Rx squares natal 8h Mercury and natal 2h Moon/Pluto, creating a Cardinal t-square, so for sure, there is potential for mess-ups with quite intense overtones but again, I have little doubt that Mercury has occupied this space many times previously in Rx, without dire warnings.

Can anybody provide further detail as to why these warnings were issued?

 

[Diem11]

One other very notable development in the US is that several states are warning people to "be prepared" and to stock up on food, water and fuel, for the 8th April eclipse. I am unsure if any of these warnings have had elaboration as to why, and what is foreseen, other than vague ideas about excess traffic, etc., but then many excess traffic incidents occur all over the place without consequences that would have (with hindsight) necessitated such warnings.

Texas and Oklahoma are reportedly putting the National Guard in the picture (there may be others......?).

Again, the Liberty chart: this eclipse occurs with a conjunction to not only transiting Chiron at 19Aries22 but natal Chiron also at 20Aries06, so very tight and a double Chiron mix.

The Mars/Saturn conjunction in Pisces occurs in square to natal mutable Asc/Desc, from 3h, with Saturn ruling natal 2h and Mars ruling natal 4h. Also, this conjunction creates a tight quincunx to natal Saturn in 10h.

Mercury Rx squares natal 8h Mercury and natal 2h Moon/Pluto, creating a Cardinal t-square, so for sure, there is potential for mess-ups with quite intense overtones but again, I have little doubt that Mercury has occupied this space many times previously in Rx, without dire warnings.

Can anybody provide further detail as to why these warnings were issued?

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I haven't heard any of this. Strange how different the news is in different countries.

I'll be paying less attention to the eclipse itself and more to ensuing month when the inner planets hit the eclipse point and the nodes and activate it in whatever way they will.

I think people are indeed underestimating the significance of this Eclipse/Chiron conjunction going over the US's Chiron.

 

[etherea]

As Pluto transits the CCP Ascendant/Moon natal signature, I thought it worth discussing their synastry with the US (Liberty) chart, and there are some interesting contacts, namely, the US Saturn to CCP Neptune/Mercury, and the US Uranus to CCP Jupiter, not to mention the US Moon/Pluto conjunction at midpoint between CCP Jupiter/Moon/Asc.

 

[etherea]

As of today, the 50-year arrangement signed in 1974 under which Saudi agreed to trade in oil using the "petrodollar", is ended.

Why the End of the Petrodollar Spells Trouble for the US Regime | Mises Institute

By itself, the end of the petrodollar won't destroy the dollar. But it will continue a trend that weakens both the dollar and the US regime's power.

mises.org

Currently, the Liberty Chart Solar Arcs show SA Moon has arrived on MC, and SA Pluto not far (less than a year - March 2025 approx ) behind - both these bodies are in the natal 2h, so have a huge implication for the US economy - as does the end of the petrodollar agreement. Pluto is in its fall in Libra.

This will occur after Pluto has done his worst in his final trip through anaretic Capricorn and stoked up the (previously overly trusting) population by showing what has been going on in the US whilst people allowed themselves to be distracted by trivia.

Moon is cusp ruler of 8h, and Pluto rules 11h and 12h - thus, two financial houses will be affected.

I had not paid much attention to arcs relating to transiting Uranus, but now see SA Lilith in 6h is going to be turbo-charged by Uranus conjunction, and SA Mars will at the same time be receiving a square, prior to Uranus moving to Gemini, so this will be a fiery time, one way or another, probably contingent upon general living conditions (inflation increases ahead are likely, according to the article linked above).

Also impending is Saturn's opposition to natal Neptune, so that theme (Sat/Nep transiting in Pisces, due to conjunct in early Aries, and this opposition adding to the same tune) is very amplified.

Also, SA Chiron now on Galactic Centre, so effects could easily 'ripple out'.

How do other members view the ending of this agreement, bearing in mind the burgeoning US debt?

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[Diem11]

The upcoming Presidential Debate features a grand trine of Pallas, Mercury, and Saturn.

The True Black Moon will make it a kite by opposing Saturn in Pisces. Something nefarious. Biden will probably be pumped with drugs to give him a semblance of awareness.

 

[Desiree]

Etherea, do you remember the chart from Biden's inauguration?
Pluto was right on the Mc.
Apart from the logical interpretation of many power games, hidden scandals and corruption, I thought Biden might die during his term.
I think what we're seeing now is that Pluto.
It turns out he had been suffering from dementia for a few years and everyone kept that a secret...
In fact, he no longer ruled at all.
The muck and scandals are now coming to the surface (Pluto)

I've lost that chart, but maybe someone can post it?

 

[Zadzi]

I'm going to go ahead and say that I've seen Pluto transits to personal points and planets bring out absolute hubris and arrogance which were perhaps a bit more hidden before, while they ignored deeper ongoing issues. I realize that can sound a bit Jupiterian, but I think Pluto can absolutely bring out a Do Or Die kind of energy to the extent that it can absolutely pummel whatever force (reasonable or not) which stands in its way. If the person going through this isn't thinking clearly, if they aren't being entirely honest with themselves, they will basically be operating from a place of sheer, brutal survival type of instinct. I don't think it's some death transit, though in this case it may very well be in addition.
There's interference from the outside for sure but let's not act like this is not in some way some of his own desire, he's always had his own brand of arrogance which is exaggerated. I'm not going to say it's dementia because that kind of armchair diagnosis has been applied to trump as well and tbh I think that while people are able to see more, it doesn't necessarily mean they see everything. There's some issues for sure, but the Pluto stuff is adding to it a level of self destruction and arrogance and I don't think that should be ignored. The coverups are only now coming to light and I think it's a combo of his own arrogance and others finally seeing what's happening (those who have invested) and want to bring him down. That alone is very plutonian to me.

 

[Desiree]

Is yours correct, Etherea? I don't remember Saturn conjunct Mc....
(Why are you not showing date, time and place with your charts?)
This is the correct one, I think:
the chart of Bidens government, not of Biden himself.
Biden is lord 10 = Saturn.
Transit Saturn conjunct Neptune.
Dementia.... = Neptune.

 

[Desiree]

I'm going to go ahead and say that I've seen Pluto transits to personal points and planets bring out absolute hubris and arrogance which were perhaps a bit more hidden before, while they ignored deeper ongoing issues. I realize that can sound a bit Jupiterian, but I think Pluto can absolutely bring out a Do Or Die kind of energy to the extent that it can absolutely pummel whatever force (reasonable or not) which stands in its way. If the person going through this isn't thinking clearly, if they aren't being entirely honest with themselves, they will basically be operating from a place of sheer, brutal survival type of instinct. I don't think it's some death transit, though in this case it may very well be in addition.
There's interference from the outside for sure but let's not act like this is not in some way some of his own desire, he's always had his own brand of arrogance which is exaggerated. I'm not going to say it's dementia because that kind of armchair diagnosis has been applied to trump as well and tbh I think that while people are able to see more, it doesn't necessarily mean they see everything. There's some issues for sure, but the Pluto stuff is adding to it a level of self destruction and arrogance and I don't think that should be ignored. The coverups are only now coming to light and I think it's a combo of his own arrogance and others finally seeing what's happening (those who have invested) and want to bring him down. That alone is very plutonian to me.

Hi Zadzi,
The hubris and arrogance which you rightly speak of is a defense mechanism to hide vulnerability.
Having power or control is essential, manipulation is the instrument.
Pluto is and remains the planet of Scorpio, perhaps the most vulnerable sign of the zodiac.
Being aware of that vulnerability makes a huge difference in contacts with Scorpios or strong Plutos. They always make a circumferential movement, never straight to their goal, as if they are first testing whether you can be trusted.

But this chart is from the Biden administration. Not from Biden the individual.
So cusp 10 (Mc) is Biden.
So it is not just Biden (Mc) conjunct Pluto but the entire government (Mc) conjunct Pluto.
So the entire government is hiding the vulnerability of the president (Mc) during the term of government.

Also look at the references in this chart to war!
Mars conjunct Uranus square Jup (lord 8)!!