Noam Chomsky (*1928) on "Greater Israel":
Partial extract of what he said there (3 days ago):
[...] the term greater Israel has nothing to do with the Bible, nothing to do with what might have happened 2000 years ago, in fact I've never heard that suggested until you brought it up. Greater Israel refers to what is happening on the ground, it's a description of what is happening as Israel has moved systematically to integrate parts of the West Bank illegally into Israel itself. That's what greater Israel means, no genetics, no history, no Bible. That it's illegal is not a matter of selecting sources it is selecting 100% of the sources; outside of the Israeli High Court, outside of that there's 100% agreement including the highest Israeli legal authorities like [???"Theodor meon"]. That it is illegal, no debate about that, we can put aside genetics, we can put aside stories about what happened 2000 years ago, we can look just at what is happening on the ground and it is very clear. No selectivity within Israel itself, There is sharp discrimination against Palestine, Palestinians, which should be overcome. In the West Bank there are totally illegal activities going on which are creating a greater Israel integrated within Israel, in Gaza it's a horror story. As far as American opinion is concerned you're totally wrong. I live with this constantly. The shift from admiring Israel as a wonderful Social Democratic state in the 70s, declining later, took a sharp step backwards when Israel began its murderous activities in Gaza. I saw it right in front of my eyes when I was giving talks on Israel Palestine, I used to have police protection, to protect it against Jewish violence. After Cast Lead [Gaza War 2008-2009] shifted radically. Israel became a pariah and it shifted very sharply. Has nothing to do with anti-Semitism in the United States which is there, but pretty marginal, much worse in my childhood, much worse when I went to Harvard in the 50s, very much worse then. That's not changed, what's changed is the activities of Israel. If Israelis want to blind themselves to the consequences of what they're doing their Choice they're going to suffer from it. [...] what Israel should stop do is first of all stop the savage destruction of Gaza, allow Gazans to live like human beings in the West Bank, put an end to the programs of creating a greater Israel.
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Noam Chomsky in the ADB (RR A):
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Chomsky,_Noam
Neptune in early Virgo, where (Mean Black Moon) Lilith was at the Hamas' horror attack.
And Saturn in 1 at the AC; I will come to Saturn shortly...
Yesterday evening I looked at the chart for the moment and was astonished to see a "Star of David", maybe not quite perfect because not a grand sextile, but the trines of the star were all there (used 10° orbs).
And Saturn near the MC...
In a book titled "Kabbalistic Astrology" (1977, second edition 1990), Rabbi Joel C. Dobin relates (as I remember) Jewish people to Saturn.
This makes also sense when I think of the medieval assignment of conjunctions of various planets with Jupiter, the planet traditionally "ruling" religion, ruling the two likely most religions signs Sagittarius and (traditionally) Pisces. C.G. Jung lists them in "Aion", unfortunately without giving a primary source:
Judaism: Jupiter-Saturn conjunction
Islam: Jupiter-Venus conjunction
Christianity: Jupiter-Mercury conjunction
Antichrist: Jupiter-Moon conjunction
Dobin does consider Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions in the book and, in my recollection, interprets them as moments when god would pass down new "instructions" or something of that kind, from the outer rim of the solar system (as known in antiquity) first to Jupiter and then Jupiter to Mars at the next conjunction, and so on. And he also mentions astrological ages, in fact in his view the Age of Aquarius would have started with the first conjunction in Air signs in a long time, the one of 1982, and note that after an intermezzo of one in earth (Taurus), the one in late 2020 (Aquarius) and several to come were and will be in Air signs, something which some astrologers also mentioned related e.g. to events in the Ukraine, also in historical context.
Now let me present sort of a "high level view", one that I have since at least around roughly the turn of the millenium, and look at current events in that light...
In that view, Jewish people would live in a somewhat different matrix than most other people on earth, essentially still in a matrix of the Age of Aries with its themes.
Other people would be essentially in a transition from an Age of Pisces to an Age of Aquarius, actually since my childhood there seems to have been quite some transition there. For example, when I was a child, saying that one does not believe in god would have not have been ideal where I grew up, I would have been an outsider there, but now in Switzerland that is different, many people are no longer member of a church, and, for example, the traditionally catholic christian party "CVP" changed its name to "the middle" (Die Mitte), and was actually quite successful in recent parlamentary elections.
Between the Age of Aries and the Age of Aquarius, there is basically a sextile, i.e. there are opportunities. The creativity of the cardinal Aries is very helpful to drive scientific and technological progress, something which Aquarius needs and holds high, as it is needed to make life better for humanity. But Aquarius is also a fixed sign, he does like things to progress in a constant way overall, in the sense that he does not like "complete chaos" where several ideas pop up and all change things a lot. Just some and then making a big fuss about it is fine, but too much is not good, Ouranos/Uranus in Greek mythology would ban what he did not like to see into the Tartaros, the lowest part of the underworld.
These themes intertwine. Recently in an interview, related to an new book by a German author who does eat lunch every week with a relativel famous and already very old Jewish woman who survived the Holocaust, including if I remember the interview no less than 3 selections by Mengele - cannot find her name of the one of the book right how - she mentions that Jews would frighten people with inventions/findings like the ones by Einstein and Freud (and she mentioned more).
What Freud found, was certainly also part of a theme of the Age of Aquarius, c.f. Uranus and Tartaros above, his therapy consisted of finding things in the unconscious ("underworld") that were trapped there (like unwanted things in the Tartaros - Zeus/Jupiter banned Cronos/Saturn after defeating him in chains to the Tartaros). One Holocaust survivor, Viktor Frankl, had a manuscript for a book taken away by the Nazis when he was deported, and then kept writing down what he could remember again and again, survived, wrote the book again and published it, logotherapy, which is sort of the reverse approach of what Freud did. Instead of looking back, looking forward and searching for the meaning of life, for whatever a certain person/patient really loves to do. (I got to this this summer, reading the very interesting book "Ikigai" by two Spanish authors Hector Garcia and Francesc Miralles, about how people who live very long and in good shape live, especially on some island in Japan they visited, but see for yourselves...)
That theme of looking backward and forward ("Freud vs. Frankl") is also an Aquarian theme, with Prometheus ("forethought") and Epimetheus ("afterthought") from Greek mythology.
To me it seems that all these new things at the time, Freud, Einstein's theory of relativity, abstract art, and so on, were in some collective sense what created a counterreaction, fighting too much change at once, which fuled the Nazi regime, gave it enough support from people, to gain power and then - since they were criminal to even today a quite extraordinary extent - stay in power for years, and starting the second world war.
So, are Jews responsible? I say essentially no, overall regarding the Holocaust not responsible. This is similar to the question of whether a woman is responsible if she is raped. If she was not a woman, if she did not have certain traits physically and mentally that many women have, yes, the probability of getting raped would be lower, but that does not make her guilty at all.
Similary, if you are Jewish, you are sort of still living in a matrix of the Age of Aries, your reactions are more immediate to what happens, which is not per se good or bad. What is different is the context you are living in. In the Age of Aries itself, all would have reacted similarly. If someone attacked you, you would likely immediately attack back, not consider what you yourself might have done that lead to the attack. And that would be what everybody would have done, hence would not be seen as "bad". Today it is different. Obviously the Hamas members who committed the atrocities of early October should be traced down and captured, and it seems likely that what Israel is doing is the fastest, most efficient way towards that, with I guess killing those Hamas members immediately also part of the picture. But it does not live up to the standards of the Age of Aquarius, where even in a war you start, you make a difference between soldiers and other people, make sure regular people get water and food and even Internet. That has even changed in recent decades, in WWII it was normal to bomb whole cities, i.e. mostly civilians, not soldiers.
With my moon and MC in Aries I can often relate to many thing that are "Jewish". I remember once sitting in the early evening with a few colleagues from work in a tiny restaurant outside. It was just getting dark and a young waiter was lighting two "torches" that work with oil, and in some way some oil was flowing onto his shirt and catched fire. I saw that and immediately jumped up and used my pullover to extinguish the fire, which worked. Turned out that the waiter had not even noticed what exactly had happened, nor did my colleagues see anything, and an older woman from the restaurant, presumably the mother of the waiter, gave me a suspicious look, so she probably also did not see what had happened. That is maybe a little bit how it can be as an "Aries" in a "non-Aries environment".
By the way, the world "Holocaust" apparently means something that burns up completely, while "Shoa" (the word thad maybe Jews more often use for the same thing?) seems to mean simply great catastrophe or misfortune.
But back to Jewish people and Saturn.
I recently started to read in the Illiad, noticing that it is much more "Aries" than the Odyssey, even though the latter has still some quite brutal things happening, often out of the blue. The Illiad is I guess quite close to what
@etherea wrote above about the Old Testament, "Blood all over the place".
That resonates well with another idea of mine, namely that every astrological age creates also things that mirror more the opposite side of it at least in the second half of each age.
For the Age of Taurus, the fascination with death and the pyramids as gigantic graves, the oppsite sign Scorpio comes to mind. For the Age of Aries, Greek culture with many abstract concepts and the adoration of beauty, like the circle as ultimate ideal, for example, and Saturn as exalted in Libra might also be a big part of Jewish culture, it did not stay at just "Aries" either in my view.
On the 7th day (the day of Saturn), the Sabath (friday evening at sunset to Saturday evening), the fire of Aries is not allowed to burn. I do not know the Jewish religious writings, not much about the Old Testament, nearly nothing in detail about Talmud and Kabbalah, but I imagine the latter two might also feature more "Libra" things.
I am not an expert on history, but in my view Jews in Germany were very well integrated before the Nazis, which, of course, also included some being quite extreme capitalists, but in line with how it generally was at the time. The last names like "Einstein" were apparently translations of previously Hebrew names, which lead to becoming officially citizens with passports, etc., i.e. part of (Aquarian) integration. But, ironically and cruelly, it was exactly that becoming part of administration that later allowed to do the deportations in such an industrial way, and it was until today exactly that industrial procedure that scares people most about the Holocaust - there have been other genocides, but none of that kind.
In those times apparently many Jews were more like "sheep" than like "rams", they let themselves be transported to the concentration camps (at least in one case advertised as a city for Jews with normal houses, etc.). This explains also psychologically in my view, why today's Israelis typically react much more immediately to attacks, just not to make the same mistakes than at the time of Nazi Germany. But unfortunately, such an immediate response without any consideration is in my view here also exaggerated. Israel is really treating Palestinians like second class people, something one would not expect Jews to do, especially in light to what their parents and grandparents lived through.
Regarding the geopolitical power play: Could be that Palestinians just don't have many voices left that fight for them, that maybe surrounding states inhabited largely by muslims would be not unhappy in the end to have a Greater Israel around, as it might very likely and bring more progress to them, a future in the modern world past fossile fuels. To me feels at least in the moment like Palestinians would be the "Indians" (native Americans) in this region, that they would be pushed away or even eliminated, maybe even more so the more they fight against it, and of course, the countries like Iran that do help, are not necessarily helpful in the end. But maybe I am not seeing everything...
The Ben Gurion canal would at least as far as plans go not pass through the Gaza strip, but I am not familiar with the topography... What people who analyze geopolitics often say is that countries do not have friends, only interest. This may be what often explains what happens in most cases, but astrologically, countries have birth charts and thus identities and fates, and they might also make friendships and even fall in love, just like people do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Gurion_Canal_Project
Anyways, a very long post already, not like I would be able to bring world peace by writing a little more...
Just a quick summary:
Judaism: Age of Aries (with Libra elements, c.f. Saturn) living in a transition between Age of Pisces and Age of Aquarius, hence there will be anomosities just because if you are Jewish you are different in a different way than e.g. moslem vs. christian or black vs. white, but there is also a great opportunity with the sextile of the Age of Aquarius, if you keep the fire somewhat controlled, i.e. might be a good idea to listen to the USA, who is sort of the egg that hatches the Age of Aquarius in many respects, e.g. go for Hamas, but protect/help civilians, let water etc. come in.
